Comments on: more permaculture notes http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/2009/10/more-permaculture-notes/ taking dancing lessons from god. Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:22:50 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Patterns in Nature « Permaculture Student http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/2009/10/more-permaculture-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-4808 Patterns in Nature « Permaculture Student Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:05:59 +0000 http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/?p=1245#comment-4808 [...] didn’t learn this bit during the class but instead from another PDC student blog.) Double spirals are also a common pattern in nature. For example, in pinecones, there are eight [...] [...] didn’t learn this bit during the class but instead from another PDC student blog.) Double spirals are also a common pattern in nature. For example, in pinecones, there are eight [...]

]]> By: Nicollas http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/2009/10/more-permaculture-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-3855 Nicollas Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:18:26 +0000 http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/?p=1245#comment-3855 A big thank for your articles on your PDC, it's very appreciate and usefull to me ! A big thank for your articles on your PDC, it’s very appreciate and usefull to me !

]]> By: stacia fuchsia http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/2009/10/more-permaculture-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-3847 stacia fuchsia Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:34:44 +0000 http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/?p=1245#comment-3847 for sure. the idea of the importance of welcoming outsiders is a pretty new thing, historically speaking, i think. i suspect that when barcelona (or wherever) was originally being settled, being welcoming to outsiders would be a weakness. knowing who can get around is a pretty good way to know who is a member of your community who can be trusted in a certain way, etc. i think the equivalent of this in modern gridded cities would be things like navigating one-way streets and pronouncing names right--like couch street here in portland, for example. oh, and understanding places where the grid breaks, like where the bridges across the river, i-84 or the train tracks are, or alameda ridge and such (often places where geography resists the grid). that said, i like the grid here, and it makes me feel in touch with the whole city, and with the whole city's place in the larger geography, 'cause i always know what direction something is in. for sure. the idea of the importance of welcoming outsiders is a pretty new thing, historically speaking, i think. i suspect that when barcelona (or wherever) was originally being settled, being welcoming to outsiders would be a weakness. knowing who can get around is a pretty good way to know who is a member of your community who can be trusted in a certain way, etc. i think the equivalent of this in modern gridded cities would be things like navigating one-way streets and pronouncing names right–like couch street here in portland, for example. oh, and understanding places where the grid breaks, like where the bridges across the river, i-84 or the train tracks are, or alameda ridge and such (often places where geography resists the grid). that said, i like the grid here, and it makes me feel in touch with the whole city, and with the whole city’s place in the larger geography, ’cause i always know what direction something is in.

]]> By: Ari http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/2009/10/more-permaculture-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-3846 Ari Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:59:37 +0000 http://glow.whyiamnotdying.net/?p=1245#comment-3846 I'm not sure that natural settlement patterns are necessarily more egalitarian than a grid. It all depends on your perspective. If you think about it, chaotic street patterns like central Barcelona also reinforce power systems, they just happen to be local ones. A grid allows outsiders to join the community and fairly quickly get the lay of the land and be on equal footing with established residents. This is a form of egalitarianism. Imagine if all of Barcelona was the same form as that central part - the city would be incomprehensible to outsiders. Obviously this can be used for good and for evil - the point about colonizers imposing grids is right on, but with a grid there is some tit for tat involved. If the sentry on the corner can see all the way down the street, so can the people living there. -Ari I’m not sure that natural settlement patterns are necessarily more egalitarian than a grid. It all depends on your perspective. If you think about it, chaotic street patterns like central Barcelona also reinforce power systems, they just happen to be local ones. A grid allows outsiders to join the community and fairly quickly get the lay of the land and be on equal footing with established residents. This is a form of egalitarianism. Imagine if all of Barcelona was the same form as that central part – the city would be incomprehensible to outsiders.

Obviously this can be used for good and for evil – the point about colonizers imposing grids is right on, but with a grid there is some tit for tat involved. If the sentry on the corner can see all the way down the street, so can the people living there.
-Ari

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